Comment:
This argument has been going on forever. I wonder if it’s really about this or the need to attempt to impose one groups will against another. I know from my own experiences that noise volume does make a difference even it’s just slightly. If you’re never ridden a Harley and i suspect most of the complainers in here haven’t then you’ll just have to take my word for it. Commenting about safety gear is getting off topic. Live and let live is popular to say in certain circles.
Quieter O'ahu Response:
7/14/2020 01:28:59 am
I think we can agree that this IS about one group imposing their will against others. In this case, motorcycle riders who fit their bikes with aftermarket exhausts capable of 125dB - anything over 120dB harms hearing according to OSHA, and spills that noise pollution a quarter-mile in all directions, making it impossible for hundreds, if not thousands, of others in proximity to that awful noise from enjoying their day. And tell us, please, where is the safety factor of loud pipes in sitting at a stop light or stop sign and endlessly revving the engine to ensure the noise continues unabated?
A stock Harley emits a noise level of 80dB. For reference, a typical car when idling emits noise at about 35-45 dB and in the high 50s to low 60s decibel levels at freeway speeds. So even though the stock cycle is significantly louder than a car, that seems still to not be enough noise for most riders. Got to have them louder. Got to "wake the dead." Well, we politely disagree, and, apparently so does the City Council and State Legislature. Both of whom have passed ordinances and statutes against such excessive noise. 80dB, loud, but okay, we'll live with it. But enough is enough and motorcycle riders, in the main, have crossed a line.
Please review our pages on Hawai'i ordinances and statutes for a review of those most on point at: https://www.quieteroahu.com/hawaii-noise-laws.html .
And we also disagree that our last response was off-topic. The submitter made the point that motorcycle riders were 35 times more likely to be involved in an accident than cars, and that noise saved lives - a debunked myth by rider groups and science, regardless of personal opinion - but if saving lives were of interest, then riders should equip themselves for riding: helmets, vests, and attire.
Thank you for your comments.
This argument has been going on forever. I wonder if it’s really about this or the need to attempt to impose one groups will against another. I know from my own experiences that noise volume does make a difference even it’s just slightly. If you’re never ridden a Harley and i suspect most of the complainers in here haven’t then you’ll just have to take my word for it. Commenting about safety gear is getting off topic. Live and let live is popular to say in certain circles.
Quieter O'ahu Response:
7/14/2020 01:28:59 am
I think we can agree that this IS about one group imposing their will against others. In this case, motorcycle riders who fit their bikes with aftermarket exhausts capable of 125dB - anything over 120dB harms hearing according to OSHA, and spills that noise pollution a quarter-mile in all directions, making it impossible for hundreds, if not thousands, of others in proximity to that awful noise from enjoying their day. And tell us, please, where is the safety factor of loud pipes in sitting at a stop light or stop sign and endlessly revving the engine to ensure the noise continues unabated?
A stock Harley emits a noise level of 80dB. For reference, a typical car when idling emits noise at about 35-45 dB and in the high 50s to low 60s decibel levels at freeway speeds. So even though the stock cycle is significantly louder than a car, that seems still to not be enough noise for most riders. Got to have them louder. Got to "wake the dead." Well, we politely disagree, and, apparently so does the City Council and State Legislature. Both of whom have passed ordinances and statutes against such excessive noise. 80dB, loud, but okay, we'll live with it. But enough is enough and motorcycle riders, in the main, have crossed a line.
Please review our pages on Hawai'i ordinances and statutes for a review of those most on point at: https://www.quieteroahu.com/hawaii-noise-laws.html .
And we also disagree that our last response was off-topic. The submitter made the point that motorcycle riders were 35 times more likely to be involved in an accident than cars, and that noise saved lives - a debunked myth by rider groups and science, regardless of personal opinion - but if saving lives were of interest, then riders should equip themselves for riding: helmets, vests, and attire.
Thank you for your comments.